A Magna Carta
for Restoring the Supremacy of
Jesus Christ
a.k.a.
A Jesus Manifesto
for the 21st Century Church
by Leonard Sweet and Frank Viola
Christians have made the gospel about so many things … things other than Christ.
Jesus Christ is the gravitational pull that brings everything together and gives them significance, reality, and meaning. Without him, all things lose their value. Without him, all things are but detached pieces floating around in space.
It is possible to emphasize a spiritual truth, value, virtue, or gift, yet miss Christ . . . who is the embodiment and incarnation of all spiritual truth, values, virtues, and gifts.
Seek a truth, a value, a virtue, or a spiritual gift, and you have obtained something dead.
Seek Christ, embrace Christ, know Christ, and you have touched him who is Life. And in him resides all Truth, Values, Virtues and Gifts in living color. Beauty has its meaning in the beauty of Christ, in whom is found all that makes us lovely and loveable.
What is Christianity? It is Christ. Nothing more. Nothing less. Christianity is not an ideology. Christianity is not a philosophy. Christianity is the “good news” that Beauty, Truth and Goodness are found in a person. Biblical community is founded and found on the connection to that person. Conversion is more than a change in direction; it’s a change in connection. Jesus’ use of the ancient Hebrew word shubh, or its Aramaic equivalent, to call for “repentance” implies not viewing God from a distance, but entering into a relationship where God is command central of the human connection.
In that regard, we feel a massive disconnection in the church today. Thus this manifesto.
We believe that the major disease of the church today is JDD: Jesus Deficit Disorder. The person of Jesus is increasingly politically incorrect, and is being replaced by the language of “justice,” “the kingdom of God,” “values,” and “leadership principles.”
In this hour, the testimony that we feel God has called us to bear centers on the primacy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Specifically . . .
1. The center and circumference of the Christian life is none other than the person of Christ. All other things, including things related to him and about him, are eclipsed by the sight of his peerless worth. Knowing Christ is Eternal Life. And knowing him profoundly, deeply, and in reality, as well as experiencing his unsearchable riches, is the chief pursuit of our lives, as it was for the first Christians. God is not so much about fixing things that have gone wrong in our lives as finding us in our brokenness and giving us Christ.
2. Jesus Christ cannot be separated from his teachings. Aristotle says to his disciples, “Follow my teachings.” Socrates says to his disciples, “Follow my teachings.” Buddha says to his disciples, “Follow my meditations.” Confucius says to his disciples, “Follow my sayings.” Muhammad says to his disciples, “Follow my noble pillars.” Jesus says to his disciples, “Follow me.” In all other religions, a follower can follow the teachings of its founder without having a relationship with that founder. Not so with Jesus Christ. The teachings of Jesus cannot be separated from Jesus himself. Jesus Christ is still alive and he embodies his teachings. It is a profound mistake, therefore, to treat Christ as simply the founder of a set of moral, ethical, or social teaching. The Lord Jesus and his teaching are one. The Medium and the Message are One. Christ is the incarnation of the Kingdom of God and the Sermon on the Mount.
3. God’s grand mission and eternal purpose in the earth and in heaven centers in Christ . . . both the individual Christ (the Head) and the corporate Christ (the Body). This universe is moving towards one final goal – the fullness of Christ where He shall fill all things with himself. To be truly missional, then, means constructing one’s life and ministry on Christ. He is both the heart and bloodstream of God’s plan. To miss this is to miss the plot; indeed, it is to miss everything.
4. Being a follower of Jesus does not involve imitation so much as it does implantation and impartation. Incarnation–the notion that God connects to us in baby form and human touch—is the most shocking doctrine of the Christian religion. The incarnation is both once-and-for-all and ongoing, as the One “who was and is to come” now is and lives his resurrection life in and through us. Incarnation doesn’t just apply to Jesus; it applies to every one of us. Of course, not in the same sacramental way. But close. We have been given God’s “Spirit” which makes Christ “real” in our lives. We have been made, as Peter puts it, “partakers of the divine nature.” How, then, in the face of so great a truth can we ask for toys and trinkets? How can we lust after lesser gifts and itch for religious and spiritual thingys? We’ve been touched from on high by the fires of the Almighty and given divine life. A life that has passed through death – the very resurrection life of the Son of God himself. How can we not be fired up?
To put it in a question: What was the engine, or the accelerator, of the Lord’s amazing life? What was the taproot or the headwaters of his outward behavior? It was this: Jesus lived by an indwelling Father. After his resurrection, the passage has now moved. What God the Father was to Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ is to you and to me. He’s our indwelling Presence, and we share in the life of Jesus’ own relationship with the Father. There is a vast ocean of difference between trying to compel Christians to imitate Jesus and learning how to impart an implanted Christ. The former only ends up in failure and frustration. The latter is the gateway to life and joy in our daying and our dying. We stand with Paul: “Christ lives in me.” Our life is Christ. In him do we live, breathe, and have our being. “What would Jesus do?” is not Christianity. Christianity asks: “What is Christ doing through me … through us? And how is Jesus doing it?” Following Jesus means “trust and obey” (respond), and living by his indwelling life through the power of the Spirit.
5. The “Jesus of history” cannot be disconnected from the “Christ of faith.” The Jesus who walked the shores of Galilee is the same person who indwells the church today. There is no disconnect between the Jesus of Mark’s Gospel and the incredible, all-inclusive, cosmic Christ of Paul’s letter to the Colossians. The Christ who lived in the first century has a pre-existence before time. He also has a post-existence after time. He is Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, A and Z, all at the same time. He stands in the future and at the end of time at the same moment that He indwells every child of God. Failure to embrace these paradoxical truths has created monumental problems and has diminished the greatness of Christ in the eyes of God’s people.
6. It’s possible to confuse “the cause” of Christ with the person of Christ. When the early church said “Jesus is Lord,” they did not mean “Jesus is my core value.” Jesus isn’t a cause; he is a real and living person who can be known, loved, experienced, enthroned and embodied. Focusing on his cause or mission doesn’t equate focusing on or following him. It’s all too possible to serve “the god” of serving Jesus as opposed to serving him out of an enraptured heart that’s been captivated by his irresistible beauty and unfathomable love. Jesus led us to think of God differently, as relationship, as the God of all relationship.
7. Jesus Christ was not a social activist nor a moral philosopher. To pitch him that way is to drain his glory and dilute his excellence. Justice apart from Christ is a dead thing. The only battering ram that can storm the gates of hell is not the cry of Justice, but the name of Jesus. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of Justice, Peace, Holiness, Righteousness. He is the sum of all spiritual things, the “strange attractor” of the cosmos. When Jesus becomes an abstraction, faith loses its reproductive power. Jesus did not come to make bad people good. He came to make dead people live.
8. It is possible to confuse an academic knowledge or theology about Jesus with a personal knowledge of the living Christ himself. These two stand as far apart as do the hundred thousand million galaxies. The fullness of Christ can never be accessed through the frontal lobe alone. Christian faith claims to be rational, but also to reach out to touch ultimate mysteries. The cure for a big head is a big heart.
Jesus does not leave his disciples with CliffsNotes for a systematic theology. He leaves his disciples with breath and body.
Jesus does not leave his disciples with a coherent and clear belief system by which to love God and others. Jesus gives his disciples wounds to touch and hands to heal.
Jesus does not leave his disciples with intellectual belief or a “Christian worldview.” He leaves his disciples with a relational faith.
Christians don’t follow a book. Christians follow a person, and this library of divinely inspired books we call “The Holy Bible” best help us follow that person. The Written Word is a map that leads us to The Living Word. Or as Jesus himself put it, “All Scripture testifies of me.” The Bible is not the destination; it’s a compass that points to Christ, heaven’s North Star.
The Bible does not offer a plan or a blueprint for living. The “good news” was not a new set of laws, or a new set of ethical injunctions, or a new and better PLAN. The “good news” was the story of a person’s life, as reflected in The Apostle’s Creed. The Mystery of Faith proclaims this narrative: “Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again.” The meaning of Christianity does not come from allegiance to complex theological doctrines, but a passionate love for a way of living in the world that revolves around following Jesus, who taught that love is what makes life a success . . . not wealth or health or anything else: but love. And God is love.
9. Only Jesus can transfix and then transfigure the void at the heart of the church. Jesus Christ cannot be separated from his church. While Jesus is distinct from his Bride, he is not separate from her. She is in fact his very own Body in the earth. God has chosen to vest all of power, authority, and life in the living Christ. And God in Christ is only known fully in and through his church. (As Paul said, “The manifold wisdom of God – which is Christ – is known through the ekklesia.”)
The Christian life, therefore, is not an individual pursuit. It’s a corporate journey. Knowing Christ and making him known is not an individual prospect. Those who insist on flying life solo will be brought to earth, with a crash. Thus Christ and his church are intimately joined and connected. What God has joined together, let no person put asunder. We were made for life with God; our only happiness is found in life with God. And God’s own pleasure and delight is found therein as well.
10. In a world which sings, “Oh, who is this Jesus?” and a church which sings, “Oh, let’s all be like Jesus,” who will sing with lungs of leather, “Oh, how we love Jesus!”
If Jesus could rise from the dead, we can at least rise from our bed, get off our couches and pews, and respond to the Lord’s resurrection life within us, joining Jesus in what he’s up to in the world. We call on others to join us—not in removing ourselves from planet Earth, but to plant our feet more firmly on the Earth while our spirits soar in the heavens of God’s pleasure and purpose. We are not of this world, but we live in this world for the Lord’s rights and interests. We, collectively, as the ekklesia of God, are Christ in and to this world.
May God have a people on this earth who are a people of Christ, through Christ, and for Christ. A people of the cross. A people who are consumed with God’s eternal passion, which is to make his Son preeminent, supreme, and the head over all things visible and invisible. A people who have discovered the touch of the Almighty in the face of his glorious Son. A people who wish to know only Christ and him crucified, and to let everything else fall by the wayside. A people who are laying hold of his depths, discovering his riches, touching his life, and receiving his love, and making HIM in all of his unfathomable glory known to others.
The two of us may disagree about many things—be they ecclesiology, eschatology, soteriology, not to mention economics, globalism and politics.
But in our two most recent books—From Eternity to Here and So Beautiful—we have sounded forth a united trumpet. These books are the Manifests to this Manifesto. They each present the vision that has captured our hearts and that we wish to impart to the Body of Christ— “This ONE THING I know” (Jn.9:25) that is the ONE THING that unites us all:
Jesus the Christ.
Christians don’t follow Christianity; Christians follow Christ.
Christians don’t preach themselves; Christians proclaim Christ.
Christians don’t point people to core values; Christians point people to the cross.
Christians don’t preach about Christ: Christians preach Christ.
Over 300 years ago a German pastor wrote a hymn that built around the Name above all names:
Ask ye what great thing I know, that delights and stirs me so?
What the high reward I win? Whose the name I glory in?
Jesus Christ, the crucified.
This is that great thing I know; this delights and stirs me so:
faith in him who died to save, His who triumphed o’er the grave:
Jesus Christ, the crucified.
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Jesus Christ – the crucified, resurrected, enthroned, triumphant, living Lord.
He is our Pursuit, our Passion, and our Life.
Amen.
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THE MANIFESTS (which expand this manifesto) . . .

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All Hail, King Jesus!
Comment by Bobby Capps — June 22, 2009 @ 6:18 pm
Cool. I’ll sign up.
Comment by Aaron Klinefelter — June 22, 2009 @ 6:26 pm
To know Christ and Him Crucified –
Here I stand with you – I can do no other. God help me.
Comment by Randy Jumper — June 22, 2009 @ 6:41 pm
Thanks for sharing this manifesto. I deeply appreciate the reminder of our first love: Jesus the Christ. I also appreciate your high christology, but I do wonder how the other persons of the Trinity fit with what you have written. The Father and the Spirit are mentioned, but obviously not given the same attention as the Son. Don’t we need to reclaim a trinitarian and relational experience and understanding of God as well?
Comment by John Hil — June 22, 2009 @ 7:31 pm
John, good question. Since this is a “Jesus Manifesto,” you’ll find that it’s focused on the person of Christ.
Len’s book “So Beautiful” discusses the Trinity, and my books “Reimagining Church” and “From Eternity to Here” both present an ecclesiology that’s based on a Trinitarian model. So that part of the discussion is contained in the “Manifests.”
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Comment by denisbell — June 22, 2009 @ 8:25 pm
well done good and faithful Kingdom servants, brothers and friends!
Robin Dugall
Comment by robin dugall — June 22, 2009 @ 10:01 pm
Dear Frank and Leonard — Just got the pdf from John Armstrong. This is the kind of vision I’ve been increasingly casting over the past 10 years (capturing and reconstituting the very word “supremacy” vis-a-vis “centrality”) . It is more formally codified in my CHRIST IS ALL! (www.ChristIsAllBook.com). Thank you for adding to the conversation with this Manifesto. Increasingly the Spirit is raising up a band of leaders who understand the magnitude of the “crisis of Christology” that has seriously crippled the Church; as well as the need to begin rebuilding a “high Christology” among God’s people. I often speak in terms of a “Christ-awakening movement” which I define in these terms: “When God’s Spirit uses God’s Word to re-convert God’s people back to God’s Son for ALL that He is.” May that movement swell in the coming days. His blessings on you both. DAVID BRYANT
Comment by David Bryant — June 23, 2009 @ 12:49 am
I particularly liked the part about following the man Jesus not merely His teachings – the latter indeed being impossible without Him inside us doing it.
May the precious Lord fully possess His church, spotless and without wrinkle, to His glory in the world and eternity.
Comment by Paul B. — June 23, 2009 @ 1:25 am
My sentiments exactly. Thanks for this, gentlemen.
“For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.” -I Corinthians 2:2
Comment by Lenny Liebmann — June 23, 2009 @ 3:20 am
Thanks for sharing this… great stuff!
“The Bible does not offer a plan or a blueprint for living. The “good news” was not a new set of laws, or a new set of ethical injunctions, or a new and better PLAN.”
Philippians 3:7-9 (The Message)
“The very credentials these people are waving around as something special, I’m tearing up and throwing out with the trash—along with everything else I used to take credit for. And why? Because of Christ. Yes, all the things I once thought were so important are gone from my life. Compared to the high privilege of knowing Christ Jesus as my Master, firsthand, everything I once thought I had going for me is insignificant—dog dung. I’ve dumped it all in the trash so that I could embrace Christ and be embraced by him. I didn’t want some petty, inferior brand of righteousness that comes from keeping a list of rules when I could get the robust kind that comes from trusting Christ—God’s righteousness. ”
Knowing and loving Christ who gives me life… and allowing Him to really live in and through me… that’s it… that’s all… that’s my desire.
Comment by Jonathan Hutton — June 23, 2009 @ 3:22 am
Thank you for receiving, writing and sharing the Jesus Manifesto. I have shared excerpts that most spoke to me with my friends in the “twitterverse.” Please search #JesusManifesto to see what was shared. I pray that my actions meet your approval. May God continue to bless you and others, through your work.
Comment by Brian Gaffney — June 23, 2009 @ 3:29 am
Occasionally I need to be reminded to revisit my sense of call. This statement is such a reminder. We so easily forget that it really is about Jesus. As Christians we tend to remember and forget, remember and forget, remember and forget but outside community, mostly we forget. Theology is only deep when it makes us deep. Obscure theology makes us obscure. Thanks for this clear and simple statement of faith. Bob Tuttle
Comment by Bob Tuttle, Jr. — June 23, 2009 @ 9:38 am
Something I have been arguing for for some time! God bless! Enjoying So Beautiful Len! When you guys coming down under?
Comment by Neal Taylor — June 23, 2009 @ 1:15 pm
Excellent and so needed.
two questions, Frank I’ve read your book Reimagining Church and you discuss the Trinity a lot. I assume you and Leonard discuss the Trinity in your two books?
what do you say to those who think you’re not emphasizing the Bible enough? I loved how you compared the Bible to Jesus, but I know a lot of bibliolators who worship the Bible over Jesus and I can antipcate their objections. thanks guys.
Comment by John — June 23, 2009 @ 1:19 pm
Hey John.
Since this is a “Jesus” manifesto, we focus on the Person of Christ rather than the Truine God. But you are right, we discuss the Godhead in our two “manifests” (From Eternity & So Beautiful). In this manifesto, we emphasize the fact that ALL the fullness of the Godhead has been placed in Christ. The Spirit has come to magnify and reveal Christ (John 14-16). And the Father seeks to glorify the Son in all that He does. Further, we know God in Christ (John 1:18) as He is the visible image of the invisible God.
As for the Bible worshippers, we musn’t forget that Jesus is the living Word of God (John 1; Heb. 1). And from His own lips He said “All Scriptures testifies of ME.”
Here’s a parable from “From Eternity” that I think is helpful:
To illustrate the centrality of Christ, I would like to rehearse a
story that the Lord gave my friend Mike Broadie. It goes like this.…
Every year Mary, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible get together and
weep. As they are weeping, Mary says, “I brought Him into this
world. I gave Him life on this earth. But they have worshipped me
and have stolen glory from my son.”
Then the Holy Spirit speaks and says, “I did not come to speak of
Myself. I did not come to reveal Myself. I came to reveal Him. I came
to magnify and glorify Him. But they have made Me central.”
Finally, the Bible, also weeping, speaks and says, “I came to point
men and women to Him. I came to testify of Him. I came to make
Him known. But they have made a god out of me.” (pp. 271-272)
Comment by frankaviola — June 23, 2009 @ 1:28 pm
You had me at the very first line.
Christians have made the gospel into so many things that I have hesitated in recent years to even use the word ‘Christian’ to describe myself. Being a pastor, that’s a bit of a challenge, of course! But ‘Jesus follower’ has always suited me better anyway. I want always to be on The Way because the moment I arrive at a final destination then all I can do is begin building a fort and battlements to protect my precious final answers.
And that fort-building is why the Jesus manifesto (and other reforming movements and study) is so continually necessary and vital. It is the words ABOUT, the doctrines ABOUT, the creeds ABOUT Jesus that have been used with such skill to control, enslave, and kill entire tribes and nations, and countless individuals. “Go into all the world and find resources we can steal to build better crap that nobody really needs, but will make us rich if they believe they do!” That’s what the perverted words ABOUT Jesus have become (heard 24 hours a day on any of 10 Cable TV stations in your area!).
Bottom line- I love the Jesus manifesto because I love the Jesus who inspired it. I’m sick of the “Jesus” who sits like a sock puppet on the clenched fist of the professional word-spitters who know Jesus language is an easy way through the door of five star hotels around the world.
Thank you, brothers..
Comment by barryweber — June 23, 2009 @ 1:47 pm
I hear what you’re saying Richard. I’m of the younger generation and I’m excited about this manifesto. From the time I accepted Jesus and really started reading my Bible, Jesus has been convicting me to walk with Him and live for Him. Of course He can get us through the hard times but its Jesus who makes our happiness really happy (and eternal). But even more than that we’re the ones who make His heart rush with excitement. So, be encouraged, there are some of us teenagers who do see this. I’m not sure where they all are but I know I’m not alone.
Comment by Alex — June 29, 2009 @ 4:54 am
Frank and Leonard,
The clarity of your thinking is valuable for those of us whose hearts beat for the young.
Teenage believers invited to give a public testimony often say, “I just love Jesus. He’s always there for me.” By that they may mean Jesus is getting them through hard times at home or with friends. But notice the primary focus of the testimony: “He’s always there for ME.”
Worst case, students may see Jesus as their little buddy who rides with them in their shirt pocket. He always is there in case they need to pull Him out to “poof” some difficulty away. (You can be sure they picked up this perspective from their parents and the adult church).
BUT, if the supremacy of Christ should flood the DNA of a young generation – then His life lived out through them might spark a full awakening to Christ in the Church. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
Comment by Richard Ross — June 23, 2009 @ 1:50 pm
Love the manifesto, thanks for the reminder, i’ll be sharing it with others!
Comment by Lon — June 23, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
With an unswerving, unwavering and undeniable commitment to Christ, I stand with Frank and Leonard. May the revolution, the reformation, the restoration now begin with me….and end in Jesus.
Comment by Rick Chromey — June 23, 2009 @ 2:47 pm
Hi–just wanted you to know I really enjoyed reading this statement. It leaves you equally vulnerable to attack from the left and the right, each of who stands to lose a lot of political battles if Jesus is really what you say he is. And I think he is. And I think being vulnerable to attack from both left and right is a very, well, Jesus-like place to be. I am glad to have stumbled (almost literally) onto Len’s work and am glad to be introduced to yours as well, Frank.
As I like to think about and study worship, of course my thoughts immediately turn to what sort of worship reinforces these negative tendencies and what changes in the way we worship could increase our focus on Jesus and becoming like him. Much fodder here for these thoughts!
Comment by Mike Jordan — June 23, 2009 @ 3:15 pm
Yes, Yes, and Yes! Just as it was impossible for us to die the death, it is impossible for us to live the life, thus Christ must be all and do all. Christianity is not an imitation of Christ but a participation with Christ. A daily participation in His death, burial and resurrection. This is what it means to be a “people of the cross”.
Exodus 12 told the Hebrews to slay the lamb, apply the blood then EAT the lamb! This means to take in the very life of the Lamb within us. To teach gifts, values and principle apart from the person and work of Christ was to boil the meat in water rather than cook it over the flames. We are CHRISTians not moralists! Thanks for this important post.
Comment by Steve Trevino — June 23, 2009 @ 3:45 pm
Thanks for this. Very needed and well stated. May its impact be broad and deep.
Comment by Dennis Fuqua — June 23, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
In trying to correct a growing over-emphasis on Jesus-as-exemplar, I wonder if you don’t go too far.
For example, at one point you suggest that Jesus “was not a social activist nor a moral philosopher.” Really? Of course he was. Certainly he isn’t JUST a social activist or moral philosopher. Throughout, there is just enough over-statement to rob your manifesto of its power. It is possible, I think, to over-emphasize a high-Christology to the point of robbing us of the earthy implications of the Kingdom of God.
You write: “When Jesus becomes an abstraction, faith loses its reproductive power.” I couldn’t agree more. But by refusing to ground Christ sufficiently in the social, political, and economic realities of his earthly ministry, I suggest you are abstracting Jesus.
I agree that we mustn’t give into the temptation to downgrade Jesus into a prophet who shows us the Kingdom way of living. I am not interested in a Jesus who simply shows me how to be a radical. But neither am I merely interested in an object of worship. In this document, you are trying to strike the right balance here, but I feel you miss some of the radical implications of the Incarnation.
One of those implications is the way in which Christ is present in the poor. I affirm Jon Sobrino’s challenge that there is “no salvation outside the poor.” If the world knows who Christ is through the witness of the Church, than the Church knows who Christ is through the witness of the Poor.
This critique aside, I am glad you’ve shared this manifesto. It is a word of exhortation sorely needed in a world where Christians so easily detaches from the radical truth that we are the embodiment of the Risen Christ.
Comment by Mark Van Steenwyk — June 23, 2009 @ 4:50 pm
I thank God for you and this manifesto. I hope the “viral” effect takes hold, and this gets distributed abroad, turning us back to God in Christ and bringing his Kingdom to bear…here and now.
One question/thought: Toward the end, you state, “Christians don’t point people to core values; Christians point people to THE CROSS.” In keeping with the thrust and spirit of the manifesto, wouldn’t you say that “Christians don’t point people to core values, Christians point people to JESUS?” rather than “THE CROSS?” Although it is subtle and potentially heretical, it would seem that in some ways “the cross” (as an object) has become a “god” of sorts, rather than the one true God – and that is the person, Jesus (and the Father, and the Spirit). I understand (in part) and marvel at all that “the cross” means/entails, but apart from what JESUS did and who He was on that cross, the cross is a mere abominable form of torture, hatred and death. Therefore – if we point people to Jesus, then His life, HIs teachings, His death, His resurrection, etc. will be included in His person and be natural pieces and parts of the whole (person).
Comment by Greg Fields — June 23, 2009 @ 5:45 pm
Mark: Great points. The manifesto is not designed to take the place of a creed. Nor does it pretend to be a complete and exhaustive statement on the life, teachings, and person of Christ. It’s largely a corrective piece for our time. Should a Jesus Manifesto be crafted for the 22nd century, we can be sure that it would state things differently and emphasize other aspects of the Lord’s life.
I stand by our statement that Jesus was neither a social activist or moral philosopher. That’s not an “of course” to our minds or to the believers I know and fellowship with. Certainly, there were social dimensions of his message as well as moral ones, but he didn’t come to change the world system nor did he come to create a new Mosaic Law to follow. He nailed both to his cross according to Paul. And then he came in the Spirit to dwell, live, and have his being through his followers. As Paul says, he’s now “a life giving spirit” (1 Cor. 15).
There’s actually nothing in our manifesto or the two manifests (especially) that rob the earthly implications of Jesus and his kingdom. (The very title of my book is “From Eternity to Here” … as it deals with how the kingdom comes to earth). And the kingdom is far more than helping the poor. (Note that Jesus pretty much ignored the number one social issue of his day — slavery. 50% of the Roman empire was made up of slaves.)
It seems to me that the only Jesus we should be interested in is the Jesus who actually exists. The One who predated creation, who lived as a man, died for us, rose again, and now lives gloriously and who wishes to be our food, our drink, and our very life. In a word: learn to live by an indwelling Lord and all of our academic bickerings begin to turn to dust. Learn to live by Christ and the rest will take care of itself. Christ as our Life (Col. 3:4; John 6:57) is no abstraction except perhaps for those who haven’t experienced it.
Greg: Excellent questions. According to Paul, the cross is the power of God (1 Cor. 1). Paul said to the Corinthians “I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and His cross.” According to 2 Corinthians 4, the cross — as a principle — is the gateway to life. We cannot know Christ in the depths nor can we follow Him in reality without the work of the cross operating in our lives. In a day when the cross is rarely preached beyond salvation/redemption, my own judgment is that this is a needed corrective for our time. Hence why we mentioned it there.
Comment by frankaviola — June 23, 2009 @ 6:13 pm
Thanks for the quick reply – all you say makes great sense. And…the core of your manifesto seems to be the person, Jesus. If you begin to “add” to that, albeit with something as monumentally vital as “the cross,” it seems to dilute the emphasis on that core (the person, Jesus). Jesus said, “Follow me.” In other words, as I understand it – don’t follow a theology, a proposition, a doctrine, a philosophy, etc. Follow me – a person, in relationship. Furthermore, if you’re going to add “the cross,” then what would keep you from adding “resurrection,” for without resurrection, the cross is death. Period. Again, if we point people to Jesus (the person) who is literally true Life, then we will not be able to help point them to all that goes with that person – His love, His life, His teachings, His death, His resurrection, et al. There is a current popular worship song that reads “I cling to the cross, and everything it means.” I resist that mentality, because I don’t cling to the cross – I cling to Jesus, the person, the living word – full and complete expression of God the Father and one in the same. I resonate with your manifesto, which seemingly attempts to “fix our gaze on Jesus,” and to that I say AMEN. Again, I thank God for you and will pass this on to many.
Comment by Greg Fields — June 23, 2009 @ 6:45 pm
Thanks Greg. The Lord actually said “Take up your cross and follow me.” But I see your point.
Comment by frankaviola — June 23, 2009 @ 6:57 pm
Thank you for this manifesto! The way is a Person, the truth is a Person, the life is a Person. It’s all about Jesus.
Comment by Sam — June 23, 2009 @ 6:33 pm
I thought this was a great preface to From Eternity to Here. The book fills in all the gaps and expands on what you guys have written here. It’s one of the most important books I’ve ever read. I just purchased So Beautiful and look forward to getting into that too.
Comment by billymartin — June 23, 2009 @ 7:43 pm
I recently heard a TV evangelist/teacher say that the person of Jesus prepares you for heaven, but the principles of Jesus prepare you to live on earth. At one time I might have thought, “what a profound revelation.”
After Jesus kissed me with Truth and awakened me to His Love 2 years ago … this sort of statement lives me a little nauseated. How can you separate one from the other?
How did the church ever reduce the person of Jesus Christ to a set of principles for success-n-life?
This manifesto is prolific, profound …. yet so simplistic. A call to return to our ‘First Love’ ~ Jesus Christ!
Comment by Susan - SBL — June 23, 2009 @ 9:52 pm
We have Jesus. We have All.
Comment by Robert Beckman — June 24, 2009 @ 3:51 am
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Pingback by epic » jesus manifesto for 21st century church — June 24, 2009 @ 4:24 pm
This is really awesome. I was arguing with someone about the manifesto because they thought you guys were tyring to pit Jesus against the kingdom. it’s not either/or and it’s not both/and. What people don’t seem to get and it’s what you’re saying is that Jesus can’t be separated from the kingdom of God. Why is that so hard for people to understand? what you have written is really needed right now.
Comment by Tammy — June 24, 2009 @ 4:36 pm
Thanks Tammy. You are dead right. Some groups teach the kingdom as a set of teachings by Jesus and urge people to follow them. Other groups teach that Jesus and the kingdom are two separate things and that Jesus is more important.
We aren’t saying either. What we point out in the manifesto and in the manifests (which go into more detail) is that Jesus Christ AND His kingdom are ONE. You cannot separate the king from his kingdom. He embodies and incarnates it. And you can’t have the kingdom without the king — not as a historical figure or a great teacher, but as a present-day, living, breathing reality … the Christ who indwells the ekklesia, which is the community of the king. “If I cast out devils by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come among you.” Where the king is enthroned, there is his kingdom.
I agree, this is a very difficult idea to get across to some.
Comment by frankaviola — June 24, 2009 @ 4:48 pm
I can agree at some level, but such a reduction overly-simplifies both Jesus and the Kingdom. Are Jesus and the Kingdom One? Yes. But so are Jesus and his Father. It is possible to say that they are one in such a way that one destroys their necessary distinction. One can say Jesus and the Kingdom are one, but that does NOT mean that Kingdom=Jesus? My concern here with how this manifesto articulates thing is that it doesn’t do the necessary work of making the distinctions between who Jesus is and what his Kingdom is. By not stressing the distinction enough, it makes it far too easy for people to embrace an anemic Christianity that reinforces our ethical, social, and political status quo.
Comment by markvans — June 24, 2009 @ 5:18 pm
Mark, Origen actually called Christ the “autobasilea” (i.e. the kingdom in himself). It is because “all things cohere in him” (as Paul said) that we know that war and class divisions and racial and sexual oppression are not God’s will and are doomed and that we know we work with the grain of a Christ redeemed universe when we oppose such things. And re: the Trinity, the assignment of various activities to different members is a theological shorthand called “appropriation”.Every divine act involves all of the Divine persons, each in a distinctive manner. Giving something to the Son in no way takes anything from the Father or the Spirit.
Comment by Frank Valdez — June 24, 2009 @ 6:10 pm
Mark, I appreciate your feedback. Every manifesto has a manifest. And our manifests make the distinctions you’re asking for. We didn’t want to write a book here nor qualify every sentence lest we lose readers. It’s purpose is to be a fairly concise statement zeroing in on what we feel are some necessary correctives for our time, to glorify our glorious Lord, then let folks know that the manifesto isn’t complete as it’s an introduction to the two manifests that go into much more detail.
On a practical note, in my own experience at least, I’ve never seen the preaching of an indwelling, all-inclusive Christ (who embodies all things spiritual) produce an anemic Christianity. And I’ve never seen it reinforcing the status quo. Quote the opposite. I’ve witnessed the preaching of the unsearchable riches of Christ … both spiritual and practical … producing very non-status quo kingdom communities that display the glories of Jesus Christ in a broken world. And shaming principalities and powers by their corporate testimony. As Paul says in Colossians, we preach HIM … that He might have the first place in all things.
My recommendation to you (and challenge perhaps) would be for you to write your own manifesto that improves upon the weaknesses that you feel are present in our ours. Our statement is by no means perfect, but it’s what we feel the Lord has given us. It’s our “portion,” if you will. We’d love to see yours someday.
Comment by frankaviola — June 24, 2009 @ 5:42 pm
Fair enough.
Comment by markvans — June 25, 2009 @ 1:33 am
I think what Mark was pointing to is that you emphasize the person of Jesus, yet do not describe him (or the nature of his kingdom), maybe even intentionally. And you seem to strongly criticize the emphasis of other Christians on ethics, theologies, and teachings drawn from Jesus (even the emphasis on “the kingdom of God,” which Jesus focused on himself), yet these are the ways Christians have tried to describe the nature of Jesus and his body, to help us avoid following an ethereal “person of Jesus” that we made up to suit ourselves.
You say, “The Jesus who walked the shores of Galilee is the same person who indwells the church today.” I agree, if by “church” you mean the authentic, committed followers of Jesus, whose lives look like his. But much that we see in “the church” does not look like Jesus at all, while they all (or at least most) claim to be following Jesus. Their “Jesus” is just a word, without real content (much less a real person). And this abstract “person of Jesus” is easily adapted to their own desires or social pressures, including the pressures of the powers of this world. Hence the description “anemic Christianity.”
I also think you should be more open to challenge and criticism, since you are posting this publicly, and the Jesus you write about is not yours (not even “your portion” is yours) but the one living Jesus of us all, his body. You challenge Mark to write his own statement (“instead of criticizing ours” seems to be the implication). But from your statement here it would seem that what we need is not more statements but living people embodying the living Jesus. And Jesus (who never wrote his own “manifesto”) was quite an outspoken critic of his fellow Jews, especially those considered to be the religious leaders and teachers of the people.
Comment by Paul — June 26, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
Paul, we are very open to challenge and criticism and appreciate those which are substantive and do not judge motives. We do not believe in an “ethereal” Jesus to suit oneself. Not sure how you got that out of the manifesto or the two manifests. Jesus Christ is not an abstract figure. He’s very real, very much alive and He can be known intimately. The driving issue of our document, which again is an introduction and not a complete statement, is that we can live by Christ as Paul stated so many times in the NT. And as Jesus Himself stated, “As the Father has sent me and I live by the Father, so He who partakes of me shall live by Me.” and “I am the vine you are branches, apart from Me you can do nothing.” The Lord said the same about Himself in reference to His Father, “without my Father I can do nothing.” As we say in the document, it is a profound error to separate the teachings of Jesus from Jesus Himself and to separate the Jesus of history from the indwelling Lord who has taken up residence in all who have named His name. The same is true with the Eternal Word and the Written Word. For us, it’s not an either/or but a both/and. That’s the way the terrain looks from our hill; your mileage may vary. I’m afraid you also read-into some of my other statements. If I see weaknesses in something, to my mind, the higher way is to improve upon it myself. I would encourage you to read the Afterword in “From Eternity” as it develops many of these themes you seem to have concerns about in detail and employs many biblical references to support them.
btw/ the moderator informed me that the rest of your post was removed because you were imputing evil motives. You may want to read the “about” link on the page. Let’s remember that Jesus Christ is Love, and as Paul said, “love thinks no evil,” but always believes the best, especially when it comes to intentions and motives.
Yours in His bonds,
Frank
Comment by frankaviola — June 28, 2009 @ 11:44 am
thanks for sharing this guys. if you don’t mind, i’m gonna feature it on our blog and link back here.
God bless and bless God
Comment by James — June 25, 2009 @ 1:01 am
I have been a “Christian” for over a decade now, but recently I’ve come to realize that I don’t really know how to connect with God.
I want this Jesus more than anything. My faith is weak and battered right now because I hear nothing from God no matter how hard I pray or try to listen…
I cried while reading this post. I have believed in God with such fervor in the past… I want to have Jesus in the centre once again with that same – no… with a greater fire than before.
..Maybe this is the voice that I’ve been hoping to hear. -_-
Comment by Gloria — June 25, 2009 @ 1:36 pm
Can non-trinitarian christians, who believe in the centrality and supremacy of Jesus Christ, join this conversation?
Don’t want to upset or make anybody angry or start a theological quarrel.
Just want to say Amen! may Jesus Christ be known by all his people!
Comment by Charlie — June 25, 2009 @ 3:11 pm
Help me to understand what this means to me when I go to work today. As an Army Chaplain and running a Department Of Ministry and Pastoral Care at a medical center, how does this help me or inform my ministry to/with the dying and wounded in a different way. It is the “So What” question I ask after every sermon I write.
Comment by Chaplain (LTC) Mark E. Thompson — June 26, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Again, the manifesto is merely an introduction. You can read some of the feedback from people above and below (this comment, not another realm)
to see how they are reacting to it on a spiritual level. A number of them have written us saying that Jesus Christ has become so much bigger in their eyes. Others have confessed that it’s helped put a finger on some areas of their view of the Lord that needed to be expanded. Others said it brought them back to their first love. We rejoice at these testimonies as they are evidences of the Spirit’s work despite our weaknesses and inabilities. Our motive, goal, and passion is to magnify the Lord Jesus Christ and to bring Him back into view. He’s the most glorious Person in the universe, bar none. A sighting of Him changes us. “The look that melted Peter, the face that Stephen saw, the heart that wept with Mary, can alone from idols draw.” The two manifests go into more detail with respect to the practical implications.
Comment by frankaviola — June 28, 2009 @ 11:54 am
We have all heard the quip, “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin.” When my folks get all caught up in theological weedisms, I remind them of this quip because the answer is this: Once we get to Glory we won’t care; angels will not be our focus – the Holy One in Three will. I read many of these responses about the Manifesto and get thinking, “My god, let’s parse this down to the smallest degree to prove my theology is most correct.” To quote Winnie the Pooh, “Oh bother.”
In my tribe (Presbyterian/Re-Forming), we have what we call confessional documents. These are documents and credos that have been written over the last two thousand years and address issues in the culture at that particular time. They define what we believe, who we are a Christian people, and challenge us to live in orthopraxy. The Apostles Creed was written to deal with the paradoxical humanity/divinity of Jesus. The Barmen Declaration was written to tell the Reich that the Church is the real Reich and that Hitler is not the Fuhrer but that Jesus is the Fuhrer (i.e. LORD). The Confession of 1969 was written to adress the racial tensions in our US as well as the war in Vietnam.
Now, do all of these confessions deal with all the Christian dogma there is to address? Nope. That’s not their purpose. Barmen was about reminding the people who the real LORD was and what Kingdom (Reich) they really belonged to. Issues of Trinity were important to them but not necessarily as they were trying to re-focus the German’s attention on God. I am sure Barth et al. were conscious of this fact. They were addressing an issue that impacted that culture at that point in time. It was never meant to be an all-inclusive statement.
So the Manifesto. It’s more credal than anything else and could be easily adapted for liturgical practice and use. Len and Frank are addressing an issue that is at the heart of the deconstruction of USAmerica Church: the gross inattention/misrepresentation/exploitation of Jesus Christ.
When people find out I’m Presbyterian, they immediately rush to ask, “Are you going to ordain *those* gays?” They then rant on how gay ordination will be the downfall of the Presbyterian Church and others like us in the Mainline tribes. After they pause to catch a breath, they ask me, “Preacher, what do you think?” I gently but directly respond, “Brother, it’s not gays or lesbians who are going to bring down the walls of the church as we know it; indeed, the one thing that is the biggest problem and crisis in our denomination is the issue of Christology. We have lost Jesus.”
The loss of Jesus and a robust Christology is, in this dumb preacher’s mind, the biggest challenge our Western-branded Christianity faces. The second one behind it, the Church and what we are deconstructing/imagining/making it to be.
Comment by Wrisley — June 26, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
Who is the kingdom of God? The Prince of Peace, The righteous One, the joy of the Holy Spirit- Jesus Christ. We must first become like little children in order to see Him for who he is. Some of us at times have so much information that it is hard to simply receive Him as He is, such was Nicodemus’ dilema. And all those who receive His life by being born anew by the water and the spirit will enter into Him. He truly is our all.
Comment by Seth — June 26, 2009 @ 8:25 pm
from the moderator. comments made on the manifesto from Facebook:
Brant Hansen
Brant Hansen at 5:52pm June 22
Thanks to both of you for this. Your efforts are appreciated a lot.
Jan Pack
Jan Pack at 6:02pm June 22
Thanks for the heads up about the post. Passed it along to all my non fb friends in an e-mail.
Matt Erickson
Matt Erickson at 7:07pm June 22
Very nice. Very nice, indeed.
Ching Alkuino
Ching Alkuino at 7:10pm June 22
putting it on pdf is good idea, i just emailed it to my friends
Dan Katka
Dan Katka at 7:36pm June 22
Excellent brothers, excellent. Will pass along.
Nate Morales
Nate Morales at 7:56pm June 22
absolutely outstanding!!
Ross Reeves
Ross Reeves at 7:57pm June 22
Awesome combo!
Joy Stephan
Joy Stephan at 8:12pm June 22
WOW – all my friends are getting it too! Thank you
Stephen Mayer
Stephen Mayer at 8:13pm June 22
Wow fantastic stuff! Going to download and pass this on.
Alan Adams
Alan Adams at 8:38pm June 22
Praise the Lord! Now you are stating the Grand Reality in the simplest terms that non-theological devotees of Jesus can grasp, experience, and repeat. Thank you.
Sean M. Kelly
Sean M. Kelly at 8:57pm June 22
Yes, guys! You got it!
EleanorL. Duran
EleanorL. Duran at 12:01am June 23
Amen to all the Coments
Melissa Miller Ash
Melissa Miller Ash at 12:09am June 23
Amazing! Leonard, it was great to hear you at church camp in TN. Loved your messages there, as well as here (not to exclude you Frank). Imagine if we all got back to the basics…
Steve Cornforth
Steve Cornforth at 1:48am June 23
Will share this ….
Mark Berry
Mark Berry at 6:43am June 23
Love this… but… for me personally I need some sense of the Trinity and the co-participation/Perichoresis in my understanding of Jesus
JoAnn Deviney
JoAnn Deviney at 7:08am June 23
I am so glad to see this and hear that others are speaking out. The church has blindly been going down a path that accepts everything from the outside of Christ and increasingly leaves Jesus out. It is Him and Him alone that leads us to the Father. He is our life, our breath, our being. Wake, O Sleeper!
Frank Viola
Frank Viola at 7:18am June 23
Mark, you need to read the Manifests … they discuss the Trinity in great detail. This is a “Jesus Manifesto” so the emphasis is on Christ. The Spirit of God magnifies and testifies of Christ and so does the Father and the Scriptures. “All Scripture testifies of Me” … “When the Comforter comes, He will reveal Me.” etc.
Mark Berry
Will do
Mark Berry at 7:21am June 23
OK Frank thanks
Ryan de Kom
Ryan de Kom at 7:45am June 23
When I read this it made me cry…..and close my eyes to ponder on Love. It almost felt as if i could not contain is. my God , my God what happens to a simple soul that gets ignited by this Man. Thank you for sharing!
Andrew Rigg
Andrew Rigg at 7:56am June 23
Great!
Shanyn Silinski
Shanyn Silinski at 8:34am June 23
Well done, so many excellent and clarifying points…especially, “Conversion is more than a change in direction; it’s a change in connection.” AMEN!
Pam DeVane Grimm
Pam DeVane Grimm at 9:06am June 23
From someone who has suffered from, “Jesus Deficit Disorder”…thank you. Thank you for pointing us to the Person of Christ.
Edward G Dobson
Edward G Dobson at 10:40am June 23
excellent
Jan Nortje
Jan Nortje at 10:52am June 23
God is Good!! To Him ALL the glory!!
Pam Cohen Cipriano
Pam Cohen Cipriano at 12:41pm June 23
Amen and Amen!!! You guys totally nailed it!! I am so sick of watered down Christianity in the churches. This is a must read for every believer!!
Gerhard Visagie
Gerhard Visagie at 2:10pm June 23
WOW, Christ is big before my eyes again!!
Dotty Greenlee Morrison
Dotty Greenlee Morrison at 3:21pm June 24
I read this and think, “Why can’t all believers get this?” And immediately I am reminded that I only “get it” by His grace. I am also reminded that my human tendency to look down on those who don’t see does not come from Christ. If He is truly the one living these truths in me, then my response should only be allowing His love to show through me more effectively.
Sherry Moss
Sherry Moss at 6:06pm June 24
Oh, there are no words for how magnificently written this is!! Thanks for sharing!!
Andrew Gscheidle
Andrew Gscheidle at 10:20pm June 24
total awesomeness. Jesus all the way!
Emma K. Belcastro
Emma K. Belcastro at 11:18pm June 24
Have you seen “Henry Poole is Here”? It may not have anything to do with this post, but it’s a cool movie!
Joyce Hill Powers
Joyce Hill Powers at 11:20am June 25
This is so important! Will share with my pastor
Timmy Powers
Timmy Powers at 1:41am June 26
Jesus, our all in all. Excellent. I need to read this prayerfully on a regular basis. Thanks!
Ruth Fanshaw
Ruth Fanshaw at 11:03am June 26
Gentlemen – thank you! I’ve been realising lately that I’ve left the first fervour of my love for Jesus, like that church in revelation, and I believe this is something God meant me to read, as another step in my road to getting that back again. Please be encouraged that God is using you!
Angela Zimmerman
Angela Zimmerman at 1:55pm June 23
Powerful. I’m going to pray over these words. Just bought the book, “So Beautiful.” Thank you for your work Frank!
Dave Gimbel
Dave Gimbel at 2:01pm June 23
Love the term “Jesus Deficit Disorder”!!
Cuts right to the heart of the matter: The lving Christ is our everything… He is what and all that we need.
Anthony Verderame
Anthony Verderame at 2:15pm June Frank, this truly encapsulates my heart & passion in life. Next Sunday is my last Sunday to preach at a small church as interim & I’m going to use it as a guide to show them what I’ve been preaching since January….thanks brother!!!
Malcolm Harris
Malcolm Harris at 2:27pm June 23
Let’s pray that all true Christians make Jesus their only desire, motivation and focus. Spot on word for our time! Thanks Frank.
Craig Hardinger
Craig Hardinger at 2:35pm June 23
Absolutely loved it. Thank you.
Chris Rowley
Chris Rowley at 3:49pm June 23
well done…Jesus is our all in all! All things pale in comparison to Him alone. And the wonder that HE lives in us! wow!
Susan Bailey Lavoie
Susan Bailey Lavoie at 5:28pm Prolific and profound, yet simplistic…. returning to my First Love ~ Jesus Christ!
Jonathan A. Hathaway
Jonathan A. Hathaway at 5:41pm June 23
really great. it was dispersed to many people in my sphere of influence.
Matt N Anne Roth
Matt N Anne Roth at 7:51pm June 23
good stuff!
Ivan Pedraza
Ivan Pedraza at 1:09am June 24
Wow i drank every word of Jesus Manifesto, i will translate for my spanish friends and i will share it here so you can givit it to spanish speaking people.
Stew Carson
Stew Carson at 12:26pm June 25
Len, the ‘Jesus Manifesto’ is beautiful. Thank you.
Kitty L Heidlebaugh
Kitty L Heidlebaugh at 1:00pm June 25
Not true–sent you my response via aol. FB just not large enough to hold my thoughts. I am by the way, always thinking! Wish I could solve as easily as I think!
Jim Woolums
Jim Woolums at 1:03pm June 25
I can’t imagine what it feels like to have EVERYTHING you write to be scrutinized so closely. It does remind me of a saying a professor of mine shared, “I can’t stand the guys who minimize and criticize the other guys whose enterprise has made them rise above he guys who minimize and criticize.” Who among us hasn’t said or written something, … Read Morethought something and then later seen it in print from someone else? When that happens to me I am honored that my thoughts were even on the same level as someone who is widely published.
Stew Carson
Stew Carson at 1:08pm June 25
Reminds me of a talk Rob Bell did, ‘Death By A Thousand Paper Cuts’.
Kate Huddelson Waxer
Kate Huddelson Waxer at 2:23pm June 25
that would be something to hear!
Stan Cardwell
Stan Cardwell at 2:28pm June 25
so if you graciously admit the document needs baldness and boldness, will you allow the community of Christ to help you perfect it? after all, a manifesto should by nature be refined by the work of the Holy Spirit in many, but also delicately not become a watered down nothing through our collective democratic human nature
Alan Adams
Alan Adams at 4:47pm June 25
I e-mailed the Manifesto to my brother – a studious, devout, well-read leader in the Closed Plymouth Brethren – Gospel Halls movement. His one word response: “AWESOME!”
Stan Cardwell
Stan Cardwell at 9:35pm June 25
wiki it – experiment – see what happens. i really like it (shades of Bonhoeffer Christ the Center?) but it might be fun to see what happens to creed when democratized on the web. take screen shots along the way (you always have the original if it gets butchered beyond recognition)
Leonard Sweet
Leonard Sweet This may be the most important thing I’ve ever written. With @FrankViola http://ajesusmanifesto.wordpress.com/
Mark Grace
Mark Grace at 1:51pm June 22
Beautiful. Thanks for articulating the centrality of Christ so thoroughly and passionately.
Jeff Jibben
Jeff Jibben at 2:04pm June 22
Very Well done! Bravo!
Winn Griffin
Winn Griffin at 2:19pm June 22
Nice Len, but how else would your mindful pen work, or is that your mindful keypad?
John Fanella
John Fanella at 2:43pm June 22
Great! Reminds me a lot of David Bryant’s book, “Christ is All: A Joyful Manifesto of the Supremacy of God’s Son.”
Matthew Goodwin
Matthew Goodwin at 2:44pm June 22
Wow..praying now that we, the church will find Epic ways to live this out…
Greg Davidson
Greg Davidson at 2:46pm June 22
Holy Spirit Jaw Breaker…everlasting Gob Stopper…this one’s gonna’ last a while.
Type on Len
Eric Swensson
Eric Swensson at 3:09pm June 22
Very good. You might both be major Pietist figures I will have to profile
David Loar
David Loar at 3:11pm June 22
Len, I haven’t read it thoroughly yet, but from my review…thank you! This is what I have been trying to communicate within my congregation AND my denomination – UCC! This will be a central conversation piece for us in all our gatherings at Fairlawn West UCC.
Lakeisha Dennis
Lakeisha Dennis at 3:20pm June 22
I don’t even have the words…but thank you!
Dominique Boyd
Dominique Boyd at 3:23pm June 22
thank you ~
Mel Persaud
Mel Persaud at 4:42pm June 22
Amen!!
Jeff Ebert
Jeff Ebert at 4:46pm June 22
You should connect with David Bryant in Berkeley Heights, NJ and his book “Christ is All”. Tremendous analysis of the same issue.
Tom Shepherd
Tom Shepherd at 4:46pm June 22
Excellent statement!
Diane Seutter-Rose
Diane Seutter-Rose at 5:28pm June 22
More than the most important, definitely profoundly true
Kitty L Heidlebaugh
Kitty L Heidlebaugh at 10:51pm June 22
So beautifully true!
Comment by jesusmanifesto — June 26, 2009 @ 9:18 pm
just a quick note to please read the page that’s titled “about” as it explains the process of moderation on this site. also recently found a few posts in the spam folder and will go through them tomorrow.
JRM
Comment by jesusmanifesto — June 27, 2009 @ 10:45 am
Wow. We’ve been waiting for this; the Church actually being connected to Jesus. How long we’ve been waiting for this. My family and I declare with you – Yes, Jesus is Living Lord and our Life.
Comment by Jace — June 28, 2009 @ 3:49 am
I have real problems with manifestos that claim to lay hold of the transhistorical kernel of Christianity and then proceed to theologize ahistorically and, more often than not, inaccurately. But to show you where I’m coming from, I’ll lay my cards on the table and admit that my reading of the four gospels reveals very different understandings of Jesus and that these understandings depart in significant ways as well from the Pauline material. So I’m suspicious of those who want to claim that Christianity=Christ and who believe this to be a transparently clear and uncomplicated proposition.
But I’m also disturbed by the effort to proclaim this as a self-evident orthodoxy from which the modern church has strayed, especially when the authors proceed to theologize in such unorthodox ways. For example, the authors claim that “Jesus lived by an indwelling Father” (#4, Para. 2). What? The Father indwelt Jesus? Wasn’t Jesus rather the incarnate Son? This seems at considerable variance with orthodox theology, and yet the authors seem intent to establish themselves as defenders of orthodoxy. Surely those who wish to defend a theological outlook ought to be more careful in articulating one of its key tenets.
Slightly later, Frank Viola (in a comment, #27) suggests that Jesus was the one “who predated creation.” Again, according to orthodox theology, Jesus did not predate creation, the Son did. Jesus is the Son incarnate, but did not himself predate creation since Jesus was flesh and blood.
I point this out not because I have any attachment to orthodox theology, but simply to remind the authors that they do and yet seem confused about some of its essentials.
I’ll end by saying that manifestos such as these pale beside the rich complexity and varied understandings of Jesus (and other issues) found in Christian testament writings. Efforts to identify the kernel of Christianity all too often unwittingly produce the opposite of what they intend: not a sense of Christianity’s richness and vitality but its poverty.
Comment by Eric — June 28, 2009 @ 7:19 pm
Eric, it seems to me that your post explains why we felt the need to draft this manifesto and the manifests which go into more detail. Namely, we do not separate the incarnate Son from Jesus who lived by His Father who indwelt Him. They are the same Person. And we do not separate the Eternal Son who predated creation from Jesus of Nazareth, the crucified and risen Lord of this world. They are the same Person. What I find mind-blowing is that this glorious, incredible Christ has come to live inside of us and express His life in and through us. That’s not a theological abstraction, but an experience. It is in knowing this all-inclusive Christ in whom God’s multi-colored wisdom dwells that gives Christianity its vitality, richness, and unspeakable glory. That’s been my experience anyway.
Comment by frankaviola — June 29, 2009 @ 1:30 pm
Gentlemen, good job. Echoes of my own heart. And may this not be limiited to the “21st century” church, but as a timeless reminder for all ages.
Comment by John La G — June 29, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
Thanks for the encouragement, John. You and so many others have refreshed our spirits with your kind and gracious words in Christ Jesus.
Comment by frankaviola — June 29, 2009 @ 6:11 pm
It seems God “dropped this into my lap” at exactly the right time. Will use this and the Manifests for a short-term summer Bible study, as well as sermon series. Jesus IS!
Comment by Carrie — June 30, 2009 @ 2:14 pm
Hi – I am currently reading From Eternity to Here, and have just finished the first section, which led me to look up Frank Viola on the web. I am so glad that I did. This is awesome! Everyone should get the book, also. It makes my heart weep with joy. I have been a “worship leader” in my local church, and have been going through a kind of a desert place in my spirit. It’s hard to lead worship from that place. I thank God for urging me to pick this book off the shelf. It is leading me back to that living water that I have been searching for, and is challenging me to discover the true church.
Comment by Robin — June 30, 2009 @ 4:33 pm
Robin, thanks so much for the kind words. I’m so glad you’re benefiting from “From Eternity.” It’s the most important thing I’ve ever written.
Comment by frankaviola — July 2, 2009 @ 11:43 pm
Frank,
Sorry for the silence, but I was away at a funeral and only just got back to my computer. Thanks too for your response.
You take a very Johannine position in the manifesto. Your position re:Jesus’ indwelling by the father is clearly built on John 14:10, a passage that has been used as the basis for the doctrine of trinitarian perichoresis. We’ll leave aside the fact that the gospel of John omits any mention of the Spirit sharing in this perichoretic unity, as well as the fact that the other gospels do not espouse such a view (i.e. that “I am in the Father and the Father is in me”). It is therefore debatable whether the other gospels share the same theological outlook as the writer of the gospel of John.
But let’s leave that aside, and concentrate on what you’ve written. You take a strong trinitarian perichoretic line here. The three persons of the Trinity mutually indwell and interpentrate one another while remaining distinct persons (i.e. the Father is not the same person as the Son, etc.). God in three persons, essentially identical but distinct in person. Fine and dandy.
The problem now arises with what you say about Jesus. You write that you don’t separate the “Eternal Son who predated creation from Jesus of Nazareth….They are the same person.” You’ll agree (I think) that the orthodox position is that Jesus of Nazareth possesed two natures (human and divine) which were united in him (i.e. he was fully human and fully divine).
If Jesus of Nazareth and the Eternal Son are the same person, then what does this suggest about what existed prior to creation? The orthodox position is God (in three persons: Father, Son, and Spirit). Your answer (given your claim that the Eternal Son and Jesus of Nazareth are the same person) would mean that before creation there was both God and some form of the human since Jesus of Nazareth, who according to you is the same Person as the Eternal Son, is both fully human and fully divine.
In other words, according to you, something human (present in Jesus of Nazareth/Eternal Son) preexisted its creation as described in Genesis.
I point this out as simply an example of a theological problem raised by what you’ve written, but let me now (briefly) address what I see as the bigger problem posed by the manifesto.
As the manifesto makes clear, you and Len Sweet are high-christological folk. Fine and dandy. Jesus (and a high-christological understanding of Jesus) are clearly important to you both. I gather from the manifesto that you two believe that a central focus on Jesus will bring unity to a divided church–one deeply divided by social issues like abortion and homosexuality, but over other things too.
But your high-christological foundationalism essentially bars folks with lower christological positions from participating in the unity you earnestly desire. Perhaps the two of you are fine with that, but recognize that whatever unity you will create will be a rather narrow one. That’s what makes the manifesto seem rather oddly parochial to me.
Comment by Eric — July 2, 2009 @ 2:19 pm
Eric, only have a sec. So much of what you have written has already been addressed in the comments by myself and others. But in short: no, the teaching of living by Christ is not exclusive to John. It’s all over the New Testament, including the other Gospel writers. See the manifests for details on this. The manifesto and the manifests comport with the historic teaching on the Godhead and the Person of Christ. There’s no contradiction there. Finally, the issue we are addressing is *living by* Christ, as Paul writes, “for me to live is Christ.” An experience that’s beyond “fine and dandy” to those who have known the glory of experiencing His life. As a footnote: Whenever we relegate the Christian faith to theological hair-splitting and logic chopping, we lose the reality of Christ who has hid Himself from the wise and prudent and revealed Himself to babes. Wisdom, after all, is Jesus Christ as Paul declares in 1 Corinthians Chapter 1.
Comment by frankaviola — July 2, 2009 @ 11:41 pm
In reading some of the comments, it becomes clear that we still do not understand our Lord. It is not about what we do or don’t do. It is about who we are. In Him, we live and move and have our being. Too much of our lives are spent trying to figure out what we should do, or what we are called to be. Are we apostle, prophet, teacher, pastor, or evangelist? We center everything around us. But, the truth is that we are all called! And the calling is to “BE LIKE HIM”. That is our goal, and it is not something we do, but who we are. We get there by living in Him constantly, doing only what the Father does, and saying only what hears the Father says. Did Jesus take part in anything political, or economical, or any other facets of a human life? Yes, but only as instructed by the Father.It isn’t what made Him who He was. Living in His Father moment by moment was what made Him who He was! That is truly how we are to live our daily lives. Anything apart from this is carnal.
Comment by Cher — July 6, 2009 @ 12:11 pm
Fruit is important. We are call called to bear fruit. But fruit doesn’t require effort; it’s the by-product of life. Living by Christ, therefore, is the root issue. Fruit springs forth from that. When a branch gets so full of life, it produces a piece of fruit.
Here’s a great article on this subject by my partner in crime, Milt Rodriguez.
http://miltrodriguez.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/root-before-fruit/
Comment by frankaviola — July 7, 2009 @ 11:33 am
Hey Cher, I like what you said but I’m not sure our calling is to be like Him. Wasn’t that the temptation in the garden, “you can be like God…” I like all that you said, but that. I’m finding I’m called to take up my cross.. to die and deny myself..and to follow Him by allowing Him to live the Christian life in me.
I’ll never be like Him.. but I can be transformed by beholding Him and conformed into His image by letting His Spirit form Christ in me. Like Frank says in response to your comment, we live by His Life.
Comment by Ron Kellington — July 25, 2009 @ 7:39 pm
You said lots of things I have been feeling for these last few years and I was both inspired and encouraged to know others feel the same way.
Comment by Dale — July 6, 2009 @ 12:56 pm
Guys, I really like most of what you embodied here and really admire your passion. But sometimes I don’t know why we make this so hard. The fact is that the reason why the church in America is dead today is because there is no realy bible teaching today. People don’t trust the “Power” of the gospel and therefore negate its possiblities. I suggest every church start like Jesus did when he announced His mission in the synagogue. He was quoting Isaiah 61. Churches should start there and first and foremost learn WHY Jesus came and WHAT did he fulfill?
Comment by Chris — July 6, 2009 @ 5:08 pm
I don’t think the need is more Bible teaching; but a revelation of Jesus Christ. Personally, I know of many churches that are strong on the Bible, but weak in spiritual life. The need, I believe, is to unveil Christ from the Scriptures and show God’s people how to know and experience Him in reality. One can teach the Bible and it become death. “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”
Comment by frankaviola — July 7, 2009 @ 11:31 am
Thank you very much for this wonderful Jesus Manifesto. I will make it known in to my friends in Norway. I love Jesus Christ and have known him and served him since I was a teenager. The whole earth will be filled with knowledge of his glory as the water fills the sea.
Comment by Erling Thu — July 6, 2009 @ 8:51 pm
Nice!
Comment by flashplayer — July 7, 2009 @ 1:41 am
Dear Frank,
we met in June 2007 in Abstatt. I’m the German who’s implementing many of your teachings at our organic body in Salzburg, Austria. I love your Manifesto. Do you need a German translation from me?
Love from Germany and Austria
Michael
Comment by Michael Stadler — July 7, 2009 @ 9:20 am
Hi Michael. Yes, by all means, translate in German. Thanks!
Comment by frankaviola — July 7, 2009 @ 11:29 am
Some really good things shared in this and very eloquently stated. Thanks for sharing this. I especially like point number two, which emphasizes the difference between Christ and other teachers of history in that He asks His followers to come after Him and not merely His teachings. Indeed, the whole Christian world it seems is busy about “doctrine” and “WWJD” and there is very little about really pursuing HIM and reveling in that joy, foundational strength and ultimate freedom.
Comment by Dave — July 7, 2009 @ 4:26 pm
Thank you so much for saying what has needed to be said for so long. I left the institutional church 1 year ago simply because Jesus said to go to a place He would show me. Life has been glorious. He has shown Himself to me as the One more wonderful and more glorious than can be communicated in words. Thanks again for your help in the journey.
Comment by Marsha Herring — July 7, 2009 @ 4:29 pm
I especially like your reference to the bible being a compass that points to the north star – Jesus. I also love that Jesus brings us to earth. He shows us how he loves humanity and that he is our bridge to God who sees us as holy by the blood of the lamb.
Take the whole world, but give me Jesus (embodied/connected) – no turning back no turning back.
Thank you again for this amazing work.
Comment by Dominique Boyd — July 8, 2009 @ 5:34 am
Excellent!
Question: In the spirit of the manifesto, could pt 3 “To be truly missional, then, means constructing one’s life and ministry on Christ” be changed to “IN Christ”? To construct your life and ministry on somebody doesn’t necessarily imply a deep and lifechanging relationship – it can only be copying – and I think that is what happened to Christianity and so much of being church. Thanks again for this.
Comment by Jannie le Roux — July 8, 2009 @ 11:11 am
We put “on” Christ in that sentence because we felt it was clearer than “in” Christ as the latter sometimes can be viewed as merely positional. There’s a whole section where we talk about the problem of “copying” as imitation as over against impartation/implantation, so hopefully people who read the manifesto will read it in its entirety and won’t come away with the impression you may be concerned about.
On that point: Any one statement taken out of context with the rest of the document will surely lead to a misunderstanding.
Comment by frankaviola — July 8, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
Thanks a lot, Frank. Your reply aboout bearing fruit(#51), puts a lot of academic arguments to rest. About 50 years ago, my pastor, dear old Ray Stedman, once told me,”the Christian life isn’t really hard, David, it’s IMPOSSIBLE ” ! After decades of sweat in the University of Adversity, I’m finally finding him to be right. In the old covenant, God said, “I’ll do my part. You do your part”. But in the new covenant,He says,” I’ll do my part, and YOUR part ALSO” . There’s nothing we can do except to surrender, and we even need His grace to do THAT. In other words, IT TAKES GOD TO LOVE GOD.
Your Manifesto was very well spoken. Please keep speaking !
Comment by Dave Dengler — July 9, 2009 @ 7:29 am
Frank and Len, I extend my heartfelt thanks to you both for taking the time to create the Manifesto. The following words are a portion of my views re: the Manifesto that I posted on a newly-created blog at http://www.Gailtx.wordpress.com
Thanks for allowing me to share them with you.
Dear Reader…If you consider yourself a “Christian”, take the time to not only read these ten premises, but to devour them. Like Eugene Peterson’s title of “Eat This Book”…I heartily urge you to not only scan the words into your memory bank, but to digest and incorporate the words of this Manifesto into your lives…because each syllable points to Jesus Christ.
We, as His church, have been stretched and pulled in so many directions that we are beginning to resemble a chunk of Silly Putty…with tentacles reaching this way and that until we no longer resemble the CHURCH that God intended us to be! Have we all decided to ‘worship and do church’ by ourselves? In whatever manner is most comfortable to us?
Quoting the final words of the Manifesto: This ONE THING I know (John 9:25) that is the ONE THING that unites us all. Jesus the Christ…He is our Pursuit, our Passion, and our Life.
As we live out our hours on this earth, if Jesus Christ is not both our motivation and destination, our life is meaningless. Strong words. Challenging words. Life-giving words. Read on. Click http://ajesusmanifesto.wordpress.com/ and let me know what you think.
Does this apply to your life today? Do you go through the “church motions” and feel as if the motions lead you nowhere? What are your options? Do you honestly want Christ in the middle of your “church” life and in your “regular” life? Is it possible to accomplish this using your own self-will?
Let me know what you think…you never know how many others are facing similar choices and dilemmas. We are here to encourage one another…so let’s get started.
Gail Larson in Texas, http://www.gaillarson.com
http://www.Gailtx.wordpress.com
Comment by gailtx — July 9, 2009 @ 3:43 pm
Thanks for this. It is indeed God’s heartbeat.
Translated to Portuguese / Traduzido para o Português:
http://paoevinho.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/manifesto-por-cristo/
Hugo
paoevinho.wordpress.com
Comment by Hugo — July 10, 2009 @ 1:46 am
Fantastic! I couldn’t agree more. Christ is the single pursuit of authentic Christianity.
Comment by Timothy — July 10, 2009 @ 3:02 pm
This is a good start … a needed-correction that’s heading in a good direction.
I would wish for more … but all things in good time.
My main objection is that I don’t see the universe moving *toward* a fulfillment of Christ in all things … I see that’s already occurred (or was demonstrated to have always been the reality) … yet I do see that humans (if not others in the universe) are not-yet-aware of this reality … though more and more ARE awakening to how God already is (has always been) “all in all”.
It was always our perspective, and not our reality, that had to be transformed.
When our narrative continues to be, “one day all will be fulfilled”, we miss the beauty and glory of what “is” already fulfilled, and thus we cannot fully join God in what He’s now doing … indeed, if even a jot or tittle of the prophets were yet to be fulfilled, then we’d all still be under the old covenant law — at least, according to Jesus.
Shalom, Dena
http://shalomdena.blogspot.com/
Comment by Dena Brehm — July 13, 2009 @ 2:21 am
“From Eternity to Here” discusses the already/not yet of the Kingdom of God. It will be a visible, tangible reality for every mortal one day, and as Paul says, this is our hope. You are right: Jesus Christ is all in all now and He can be experienced that way. But His glory will be made visible in ways that it’s not right now even by the most spiritual. All eschatology theories aside, Jesus Christ is our passion.
Comment by frankaviola — July 14, 2009 @ 2:21 pm
WOW. You need to post this to the Elijah List.
Comment by Chuck — July 13, 2009 @ 11:33 pm
so many brothers/sisters look for those who carry the “spirit of elijah, or the spirit of john the babtist” i ask why? all we need to know is christ in me/you the hope of glory, equally sharing in HIS anointing and equally ministering as HE wills in each of us…thank you for this manifesto..
Comment by pennee — July 14, 2009 @ 3:15 am
Frank,
I agree with this post, but I ask you to consider this perhaps over simplistic reasoning:
Christ is not looking for Presumer Performers, people who read their Bibles and listen to their pastors and try to do their best to honor God, (still rationalizing, still listening to their evil selfish nature).
Christ is looking for seeker followers, people who know he is real, who fully trust in his almighty power and divine nature, who quietly rest in him, who live in response to his still small voice (our conscience and his Holy Spirit) trusting that he will lead us into all truth.
God Bless
Glenn
Comment by thebigpicmin — July 14, 2009 @ 5:07 am
Glenn, I would add that these people are to be *built together* to form His house in every locale.
God is not after individual spiritual giants; He’s after a body that expresses Him in His fullness. And those local bodies are to be built together to form His dwelling place, manifesting His presence by living in community and by corporate functioning. That requires close proximity.
The above, unfortunately, is lacking greatly in the earth today. Christianity has become, in the main, a highly individualistic religion where people gather together to sing and hear sermons for the most part, then try to be like Jesus on their own.
Comment by frankaviola — July 14, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
I love what I’ve read. It resonates so deeply with what God too has been awakening in my heart. It’s amazing what God is doing all over the globe. In each epoch of the history of the Church God has had a way of “reigning” things back in; remember Martin Luther of the 1500’s? I think that the reality of Christ and His sacrifice is such an uncomplicated matter that we human beings just can’t grasp it. I think what has happened to the Church with respect to the loss of its focus on Christ is simply a symptom of man’s eternal efforts to “save himself”. We’ve created a monster called institutionalized religion which seeks to reduce Christianity to a set of principles and ideals which are really cleverly crafted in today’s contemporary language but which fail to magnify the person of Christ himself. I think that this is really a symptom of the Church in the west and is a direct result of the nature of our societies.In the Church’s efforts to make Christ more palatable to a corporate capitalist world we have re-languaged Jesus into a “Seven Principles of Highly Effective Christians” (if you get my drift) and have lost the essence of who Jesus Christ rally is. This diversion is a sad injunction on how the church has been led by society instead of leading society. What I’ve read is an excellent reminder of WHO we are really about and is particularly needed even as new-agers jump on the bandwagon of presenting an abstract, mystical, politically correct christ who is NOT the Jesus of whom we speak.
Comment by Denise Charles — July 14, 2009 @ 7:48 am
Frank & Len,
Great words. Let’s pray all leaders and followers do more knowing/speaking/living of Jesus that knowing/speaking/living *about* him.
I love the emphasis on community and communal faith as an answer to my tendency to individualise. Contra individuolatry?
Shalom,
Dave
Wellington Point, Qld
Comment by davidgroenenboom — July 14, 2009 @ 1:37 pm
Well done, good and faithful servants.
I am reading “So Beautiful” and then will read “From eternity to here”.
After reading most of the comments posted so far, I believe that I need to read the manifests before making further comment on the Manifesto.
The Right Relationship is Everything! (and that is NOT with a bank, but with Christ)!
Grace and peace be yours in abundance!
Comment by rev Dr. Peter Balaban — July 18, 2009 @ 3:01 pm
Well said – better lived!
Thank you for reminding us in whom we live and move and have our being.
Comment by Joe Livesay — July 21, 2009 @ 12:16 am
Great post! I’ll subscribe right now wth my feedreader software!
Comment by LnddMiles — July 21, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
Good stuff – I love how Jesus was compared to other teachers. They all said, “follow this principle or that teaching.” Jesus said, “follow me.” wonderful…
Comment by Jeff Goins — July 23, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
Awesome. The major thing that is missing today is the precise message of the gospel. It is Christ. But, what is it in the MESSAGE the is the power of God. It is that in Christ (and specificaly because of what He accomplished on the cross) our sins are no longer counted against us. This tears religious leaders “out of their frame” because it releases the believer from dependence upon a system of guilt-forgiveness.
Comment by Noel Cookman — July 25, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
This manifesto is a much needed corrective to so much of the current thinking about Jesus. Thank you for putting things back into perspective for all of us. May God use this document powerfully to get His Church back on track.
Comment by Joe Scordato — July 26, 2009 @ 12:48 am
Wonderful!!! I agree with you all things. Great manifesto focusing on only JESUS. Halleluajh!!!
Comment by Philip Choi — August 6, 2009 @ 12:20 am
It is fascinating and exciting to me how God is orchestrating a widespread return to the Center—Christ Himself. Years ago I read a quote that has stuck with me: “I think the minute we begin to get away from Jesus Himself, we begin to cloud our theology.” Actually just about everything starts getting cloudy when we get our eyes off Him. Thanks for pointing us back to where we should be.
Comment by Jurgen Schulz — August 31, 2009 @ 8:35 pm
This is awesome! Thanks for this paradigm shift enabler!
Comment by Theunis J van Rensburg — September 7, 2009 @ 2:29 am
I have been reading Pagan Christianity and re reading it about 3-6 times now I have searched for the reasons why we do the things we do for so long. I believe just as Luther penned the 95 Theses we have been given the same opportunity to carry believers to the next shift. Gods Blessings to all I will end the same way some one did earlier
To know Christ and Him Crucified –
Here I stand with you – I can do no other. God help me.
Comment by Tom McCann — September 7, 2009 @ 3:13 am
Thank you so much for the Jesus Manifesto,just what the church,and the world needs to realize.True abundant life is not only all about Jesus, IT IS JESUS,praise His name!!
Comment by Margaret Batchelor — September 15, 2009 @ 10:16 pm
There was this day – May 12, 1975, when it became obvious to me, God had invaded my life, so I chose to – Follow Him, no matter what!
I had attended church for the previous 45 years and so I returned, hopefully to discover what I had missed. Now, it is 35 years later and I have yet to discover anything that would have changed my life earlier.
What I have found, however, is – as Peter described it, “joy inexpressible and full of glory” and I weep for those who follow, faithfully, those who say they are teaching “faith” but apparently have yet to experience the joy to be discovered in practicing it. It is not by being faithful to the words that we hear, but by practicing them to determine their value. When one learns to follow Him, life becomes all that it was meant to be.
Comment by Sherwood MacRae — September 30, 2009 @ 2:59 pm